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35: Crypto Pastor
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“Maybe we misheard God” and other classic things that pastors say when they create a cryptocurrency and steal millions of dollars from their congregants. All that and more
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SPEAKER_01Hey. Hi. What did you uh do this weekend? I know you were out and about.
SPEAKER_00I was up in Wisconsin with my sister and her family.
SPEAKER_01Oh.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. Oh, that's fun. Yeah, we had a little mini weekend vacation, just hanging out, chilling.
SPEAKER_01Cute. We're in Wisconsin.
SPEAKER_00Cumberland, Wisconsin.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00It's like an hour north of Eau Claire. Um and it was kind of cute. It was like 2,000 people kind of giving like up-and-coming vibes. Like they had a little spa in the downtown and this like provisions store that sold like bougie s'mores kits and fancy popcorn. And so it definitely has like the promise of a cute little summertime town. Yeah. Yeah. But like super not crowded and love. Yeah. Very lovely.
SPEAKER_01And did you guys jump down to Eau Claire?
SPEAKER_00Um, well, we came up that way. So Ryan and I stopped there a little bit on Friday.
SPEAKER_01Good.
SPEAKER_00Um didn't see too too much, but we did pop into a record store and a vintage shop. Try to see what else, you know, Boni Vare was.
SPEAKER_01Try to see Justin Vernon. Yeah. Um, shout out to Eau Claire Festival. It came back. I guess since the last time we recorded, I don't think we talked since I had been. Um, but Eau Claire Festival came back this year after eight years. And we left the kiddo on his own. He's old enough to like dial the phone number. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00My mom's like a frozen pizza in the oven.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. It's easy. He's like 18 months. He's fine. Uh no. We we had a child-free weekend with friends and got to have a little music festival time, and it was delightful. My cup was filled to the point where I felt a little bit sad the next couple of days afterwards. Sad it was over. So it's just really magical, and it's a really special music festival. I hope you can get to at some point.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it would be so fun. Because there's like you can do a camping option, right?
SPEAKER_01You can. We didn't do that. We did it the first year we went, um, but we stayed in a hotel that was like a little bit farther than we would have liked, but that's like a whole other bit in Bob. Like we had an Airbnb that was booked like months in advance and they canceled 31 days before. Rude. Very rude. Um, we thought about leaving flaming dog shit on the f on the stoop of the house, but we're better than that. Um, you know, I have their address, but Ellen is winking at me right now. Wink wink, no. Like I'm gonna travel with shit in a bag to light on fire.
SPEAKER_00And you can put that on my tombstone. Put and like I'm gonna travel with shit in a bag.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. Yes. Yeah. Um, so yeah. I I guess like the last time we recorded, it we we've had a lot of like different things come up. Because it's summer and it's busy and disguise. Yeah. Yeah. We have actual jobs.
SPEAKER_00Real jobs. One of us has a kid, one of us has two kids. The cats.
SPEAKER_01They're cats, yeah. Yeah. Oh, I guess I technically have three then if we're counting the dogs. Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, so it's been a bit. Um I did see Doug Wilson appear in like some video clip of like a Pierce Morgan show where he got like chewed out.
SPEAKER_00Oh, nice.
SPEAKER_01And that made me chuckle. Um like on a national international stage, obviously he can't perform. Because uh other people in other countries are usually smarter than us.
SPEAKER_00So Yeah, he does seem like the type that um in the right room he would get eaten up and chewed up, spit out.
SPEAKER_01And would you want to be part of that, or would you just want to be like standing against the wall with snacks like ooh?
SPEAKER_00I think I would like to enjoy because I think I would feel too much pressure to to be smart, and then it's kind of like the pressure of you know being funny. It's like you're you're least funny when that happens. Yeah, somebody's like, you know, tell a joke. Um and I'm funny, I'm funniest off the cuff. That's so true. Yeah. So I I think I'm the smartest off the cuff as well, is what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_01I'm I'm witty when I'm not prepared, which I wish could um maybe show through this podcast, but oftentimes because I edit it, um, I know that's not true, and so I just would like to apologize to the listeners. I've been working with half a brain cell. Oh, I guess this is another piece of news since the last time we recorded. I've been working with either pre what is it, pre-partum, whatever, pregnancy brain, and then postpartum brain, and after Eau Claire Festival, my brain came back online and it I was like ruminating about the dumbest things. Um, but then there was just like all this creative energy that had been dormant for a bit, and so I feel like I feel like post 18 months, like I'm getting back to normal. So maybe this this podcast will be better. I'm setting a hard high bar for us now to reach, and if it's bad, guys, just don't tell us. Or do send us memes about how terrible we are.
SPEAKER_00Oh, please. Yeah. No, I love that for you.
SPEAKER_01Thank you. So today's topic. Mm-hmm. Tell me this was one that you chose. Um, how did how did you hear about this person? What made you want to talk about this person? I know this is kind of an abnormal season for us because we're just easing back in, trying to keep it light, even though we talked about Doug Wilson. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um Yeah, this um this came across my desk in the form of a YouTube commentary video. Love it. So just like a couple years ago, I saw somebody else do a video about this guy, and I'm like, this is such a crazy and like quite objectively bad thing that I do feel like Alan and I should talk about it. And it does feel like it doesn't, we don't have to, you know, do six hours of research to be like, and this is why we disagree.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. This was pretty straightforward.
SPEAKER_00This was pretty straightforward.
SPEAKER_01I will say I had um one of her best friends and her husband stay with us last weekend. They are from Denver, Colorado, where this person is. And I was like, oh, we're gonna record an episode about this individual. Have you heard anything about it? She's like, no. So I'm surprised it slid across your desk, but I'm glad it did because this was a fun, lighthearted piece.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. I think it's like not not too not too crazy, and just kind of we can clown around on tech and crypto bros. So without further ado, whoop whoop, who are we talking about today?
SPEAKER_01Oh, I'm introducing him. Okay, yeah. We are talking about a man who calls himself a crypto pastor. I guess did call himself a crypto pastor. His name is Eli Regalato. And I should also mention, and we can talk more about this, his wife was also part of this. Yes, and her name is Caitlin with a K. Yes. So Caitlin and Eli Regalado from Denver, Colorado, of Victorious Grace Church, an online church.
SPEAKER_00Online only church. Yes. Yes. And we're talking about them today because in 2024 they were convicted by, I believe, the state of Colorado, um, for fraud, uh, essentially. And like, I mean, the story isn't, you know, super complex. Like it's pretty straightforward. Um, so essentially him and his wife were these pastors of a church, online only church, and they started a cryptocurrency. And because God told them. Because God told them to. Because God told them to. And so they raised from so I think the coin, which is called index coin, no e.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I re uh INDX coin, if people are looking it up. But yeah, I I an index, I hope. Index without the E. Is that what you said earlier? I'm sorry. I need to turn up my volume.
SPEAKER_00Basically, I mean, basically that, but from June 2022 to April 2023, they raised nearly 3.4 million dollars for more than 300 individuals who assume I assume were part of their congregation. And I was trying to understand a little bit more in depth, you know, how does cryptocurrency work?
SPEAKER_01I'm glad you went down that route because I did not. Ignorance is bliss for me, baby, when it comes to crypto.
SPEAKER_00Well, listen, I do feel like opening up like even just the tiniest little peek under the hood for cryptocurrency can open you up to a wave of just like the most diabolical and rancid information. So I YouTube it with a lot of trepidation.
SPEAKER_01Your algorithm.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I I think I Googled or I YouTube something like explain crypto to me like I'm five. And I'll tell you what, my question is not what is a blockchain. My question is what is cryptocurrency? And all I got was lots of explanations about um what a blockchain is.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Here's let's give some context about Eli because I think that's important.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, sorry, I'm going to I'm going down the current. No, it's okay.
SPEAKER_01I think this is good because this will all remind me that I'm saying this now because I want to return back to you trying to learn about cryptocurrency and your free time. Yes. Okay. So Eli has a bit of a past. Um he was previously found guilty of theft and is described by one of his ex-wives. I want to say her name was like Nicole Brown or something. Sure. Sure. Um, as a scammer and a fraud and a con man. So like he already had, didn't he spend time? Oh, he was in a Colorado prison for stealing cars in his youth. Yes. Like he had a past. And my question, back to you about cryptocurrency, if he can figure it out, maybe we should start our own coin.
SPEAKER_00We could. We we certainly could. Um but it sounds it just sounds like the only way to like turn a profit on this is to scam people. It's like a buy low, sell high, or you know, buy low, sell high type of thing. Is it sort of like I don't know?
SPEAKER_01Is this like the male version of an MLM?
SPEAKER_00I feel like it is. Okay. Like, so essentially he gets his congregates to like pool all this money into his crypto because from the Lord. From the Lord, yes. Um and from my understanding, cryptocurrency works in a sort of similar way with like actual money, where essentially it has value because people have agreed it has value. And like obviously, when you're putting money into it, it's like assuming that like you can use this cryptocurrency for something. But it seems like he was using it as more of a scheme and more Ponzi investment, I suppose. Yeah. Because he cashed out um and had took out $1.3 million and half a million dollars went to the IRS, and then they also remodeled their home because get this, God also told the Lord that. Yes, yeah. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01What I love about that in particular is that he confesses that on video. Yes. And he posts that he does say, like, yes, we're being investigated by the securities division about you know our crypto. Yes, we did spend $1.3 million on a renovation on our house because the Lord told us to.
SPEAKER_00Yes. And I'm I'm quite certain that he was like, it's possible we misheard God. He said that? Yeah, that's that is what is quoted in this um NBC news article. And it's just like I I think we've talked a lot about like past folks, you know, talking about how they've also heard from God. And it does feel like very often God is talking to people in terms of like how to lead others or like very broad strokes what they want from the nation. And there's some sort of like biblically based angle that you can sort of get to. This, however, I don't understand how you can extrapolate anything from the Bible would, you know, encourage people to invest in a cryptocurrency. I don't understand that one.
SPEAKER_01So you're obviously gonna be a better person to talk about this, but like I feel like going through church, we were taught like Jesus knew you before you were born. Like he knew of your existence, he knew what your path in life was going to be. Is that am I imagining that or is that in the Bible?
SPEAKER_00That's um, I believe you're referencing a psalm. Again, it does feel like type thing. He knit you into his womb and he knew the hairs on your head.
SPEAKER_01So would this apply? Like he knew that cryptocurrency, that you would create a cryptocurrency.
SPEAKER_00He knit you in his mother's womb and knew that you'd be a crypto bro one day. It's possible. I'm not I'm not God. I would never profess to be God. I don't want that responsibility.
SPEAKER_01That sounds like a lot of work. It sounds like unpaid and underappreciated work. Um and I know psalms like that is the poetic portion of the Bible, not to be taken as fact, but some people do. So I was just I was just curious if that would apply to the situation, if that would be the argument.
SPEAKER_00Well, I think the the thing is is that the Bible has uh many more very straightforward passages and pro um parables about the dangers of wealth.
SPEAKER_01Like I don't know, I don't see that modeled a lot. That seems crazy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think people like Joel Osteen conveniently forget that um it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get in heaven. And that's on Jesus. Period. This couple also allegedly use the investor funds to buy a Range Rover, luxury handbags, jewelry, boat rentals, snowmobile adventures, and other such things.
SPEAKER_01New teeth. New teeth? Yes. Can I jump to my favorite dumb fact notice? Oh no, he did get he did get um new teeth.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_01Um this is sort of a favorite dumb fact I have too. Uh, but he started posting on the Facebook page of this church in March of 2020, and then he showed up with new teeth September of 2023. The amount of time I spent trying to figure out when the change happened.
SPEAKER_00This so this isn't so much as a dumb fact, but like an Ellen investigates.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I really, you know, I hit the ground trying to get that important information for you listeners. Just dumb things. Um, so yes, no, he did spend some of the money on cosmetic dentistry. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00That's that's crazy. Well, okay, the other beef I have with this like coin is that he also like the thing is he made this it was gonna be a scam from the beginning. I'm obviously certain that he allegedly, from my perspective, whatever you know, legalities we have to do for the 10 people that listen to this, but like starting an online church, an online only church where you and your wife are the only two people, they left their marketing jobs to start this church, allegedly, and they started like promoting this index coin right away, and you could trade it on Kingdom Wealth Exchange, which I believe was also an online cryptocurrency exchange place that they created.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Actually, thank you for jumping into this. According to MSN, court documents claim that the r regolatos used multiple entities to pull off their scheme. These included Index Coin Inc., index coin LLC, Grace Led Marketers, and Kingdom Wealth Exchange companies, in addition to Victorious Grace Church. Only Grace led marketers and the church were legally registered with the state of Colorado. So they owned all of those.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00The commissioner had some real harsh words to say about these couple after they were um indicted on 40 counts about this for this scheme. But he said the Regalados are 21st century false prophets who leverage the new and promising technology of cryptocurrencies to run an old-fashioned scam, victimizing their own congregants and others.
SPEAKER_01Do you know if any of the congregants ever received money back?
SPEAKER_00I don't think they did. Because that's the thing about cryptocurrency is that because it doesn't go through something like a bank, there is no insurance. And I think like maybe some people got some payout, but I don't think it's like a thing where every person got their full money reimbursed for them.
SPEAKER_01You would make you would have made better return on your investment had you just bought pull tabs.
SPEAKER_00Probably, because at least you probably had a good time.
SPEAKER_01Well, yeah. I mean, if you're investing, I I don't know what the amount invested by each of the people or individuals that were part of it was, but I had to I have to imagine it was like a few thousand dollars.
SPEAKER_00Because if if they invested three million dollars and it's a few three hundred people, like how did three hundred people find this church though? I know I tried so hard to find like the church's website because I was so curious what it looked like.
SPEAKER_01I don't know if you were more successful than me, but No, I this has been a very frustrating one on a research side. I know I talk about I'm gonna do more research next time, but I really tried you guys. And I was more curious about his wife, Caitlin, because they don't really give any backstory about her. No, I couldn't find any information, I couldn't even creep, guys. Couldn't find her Facebook, couldn't find her Instagram, couldn't find a Pinterest, couldn't find her maiden name. I was going nuts on this. And I know that there were also some family members. I think his dad was also part of this. Ugh. Like there were some it was like a former brother-in-law was also part of this scheme. So it was broader than just the two of them.
SPEAKER_00Jeez.
SPEAKER_01Um, I think Ministry Watch may have reported on that. I read it somewhere, but from there I like still couldn't find any information about Caitlin. Who's also a pastor, and they never really like they'll say it, but really Eli's the one that's being deemed the crypto pastor. But it wasn't that. Um right. It's it's a it's a joint effort.
SPEAKER_00Right. And I I mean I do think a lot of stuff has been taken down since their investigation. Um but I have only really seen videos with him in it. Um which is interesting as well. And that's the thing too, is like I was dying to see what their ministry was like, just to see. Um because the other thing too is from my very, you know, I have limits to what I can Google search, but he does not appear to have any sort of training in like theology, ministry.
SPEAKER_01They did go, they did get like an online thing. It's okay. If you go on the Facebook page for their church, the Victorious Grace Church, it's still live. And so that's how I found out about his cosmetic dentistry. But there is a post there with of Eli and his wife Caitlin holding certificates basically saying like we got, you know, online certified at University of Phoenix. Just kidding. It was like a separate thing.
SPEAKER_00Is it like Kevin Zedai's uh university?
SPEAKER_01It was a different one, which also sent me down a rabbit hole, but I'm not gonna go down that one. But you could find it on the on the Facebook page. And the the couple that started that whole training or certification process had commented, like, We're so glad that we're so happy to have met you and thank you for being part of this journey. And I like, I don't know, if you're running a church and somebody that is associated with your church is convicted of a scam, wouldn't you want to like, I don't know, delete any information tying you to them?
SPEAKER_00I mean, at some point you just gotta erase the whole Facebook. Like True. Just burn the computer, just get rid of it. Man, were there many comments on in the Facebook group, like from I don't know, the congregants? Okay.
SPEAKER_01Not for the amount of money that they raise. That's why I'm like, who are these people? Yeah. And what kind of marketing did they do asking for our pod? What did they get to to get 300 people? I'm just kidding.
SPEAKER_00But seriously. Yeah, I mean, so I mean, this is a much like less detail than we usually have, but I do have what I was gonna use as my fun dumb fact, but might clue us into like the marketing of it all. But um in my pursuit of finding content for Eli, I found some kind of YouTube video for that was recorded at some college, and it's him like doing a marketing, like selling, like he's on stage essentially like selling his marketing company, and it's oh not the crypto. Not the crypto, totally separate. This was like from 2016 or something.
SPEAKER_01So this would have been his previous wife then, because he got a divorce in 2020.
SPEAKER_00Oh, then yeah, probably. And she wasn't in it. This was like some business. It was like man, I wish I could remember what the name was.
SPEAKER_01It wasn't the one that I mentioned earlier, the Grace-led Marketers.
SPEAKER_00Oh, maybe it is, maybe it was. Maybe it was Grace led Marketers. Um, but that sounds Christian. This like did not seem Christian at all. This was just like hire us as an influencer. So he just definitely feels like he was born and bred like bro, like tech bro. Like he was trying so hard to like be in this world and make it work for him. And he thought, let me give being a pastor a shot.
SPEAKER_01Would you say that means born and bred, though? I would say that it's imposter syndrome. I mean he's looking at the tech bros in California, the other crypto bros who have also been caught for scamming people and was like, I think I could do that. I think I could cosplay as that as a former con convict.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01That's probably true.
SPEAKER_00He was arrested. I guess I don't know what the difference is, but um he was a previous thief.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Which is not as cool as being like he was a convict.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Previously arrested for uh thievery. It was like he was uh Le Miz. Yes. He was uh Jean Valjean. Jean Valjean. He stole a loaf of bread. Actually, I don't know. You know what? Everybody has different stories, and I would have been rooting for him as a teen. I I think just because he stole as a young person doesn't mean like that's what defined his life. But he did go on to continue scamming and stealing. A life of crime. So it is it's hard to not Oh.
SPEAKER_01I do think that was part of his story that I read about is like his time in jail, is how he found faith. But that doesn't align with what his previous wife said. What did she say? She was like, he was not Christian.
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01But it's also like she she is basically like he's a scammer, he's a fraud. Yeah. And the con man. Interesting. Interesting. But like, how did he meet Caitlin? What's Caitlin's background? Like, why can't I find any information about this woman? She's part of this story.
SPEAKER_00This episode has just opened up more questions. We have less answers, more questions.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00The I watched a YouTube short of him.
SPEAKER_01Uh I love how in this season our research is YouTube videos. YouTube and Reddit.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I mean if it's him, it's him, you know? Yeah. Yeah. But it's him recording a video of himself talking. This was a really interesting like take. He was talking about when he was in jail or prison. Um, how God spoke to him then as well. And God asked him how on a scale of one to ten, how righteous am I? Which it's funny to think of God using scaling questions because that's a classic therapy. I know I was gonna say he's doing the GAD seven, the PHQ nine. Yeah, yeah, a real strength-based technique there. Um and he said In the last two weeks. And then so he gives God a 10 out of 10. And then God asks him, Well, how righteous are you? And he says, 2 out of 10. And then he's like, Well, there's your problem right there. How righteous am I essentially he's like God was telling him, like, I'm giving you some of my righteousness, so you essentially like you need to be acting like a winner. That's kind of what I've learned from it.
SPEAKER_01Like a winner's mindset.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. It's all up here, baby.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I don't, I don't, uh, that feels I mean, honestly, crypto broy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it does. I also was like, what do you mean you are as righteous as God?
SPEAKER_01When you say righteous, how would you define that? If you were to say this person is righteous. Uh I don't even know. Just like I'm asking that mostly because the same reaction. Like, I feel we hear that verbiage in Christianity, but what do we actually mean when we're saying that? Right. Like, do we mean virtuous? Do we mean um I don't know? Like just What's the definition, damn it?
SPEAKER_00Oh, like waking it up. Yeah. I'm gonna write Bible at the end of it to see what it says there. Open Bible info. Oh no. Acting in accord with divine or moral law, morally right or justifiable. Okay. No, yeah. Just like, yeah, something that threw me off, regardless of you know, exactly what righteous means. It's like so crazy to be like, I'm just as much of X, like whatever word it is, as God. And to me, I'm like, I do think a lot of the you know folks we have talked about here do believe that they are just as whatever as God, as powerful.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean we I did just go on personality disorder uh um training, so and from your training, would you say that that is pretty much the definition? It's pretty close. Narcissists also symptom of mania.
SPEAKER_00Illusions of grandeur.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00Wild. She's gonna sit with that for a moment. I mean, you can check out some of these index coin videos on the index coin YouTube channel, but I think there's only like four videos on there. He does do like a line-by-line rebuttal to the SEC investigation. I didn't want not watch the whole thing, but kind of interesting, very defensive. The comments on it are pretty funny, like somebody asking, why are you a scammer?
SPEAKER_01That comments on social media, whether it's YouTube, Reddit, Instagram, Facebook, etc., it is both the best of the internet and the worst of the internet. It's nice to know when you share a sense of humor with strangers and you get like some weird ass video sent to you on Instagram reels, and then the first comment is, I built this algorithm algorithm brick by brick.
SPEAKER_00It does feel sometimes like I'm aligned with my fellow man here. Am I sad it's happening on the internet? A little bit, but it's it's a good reminder sometimes.
SPEAKER_01Yes. So in conclusion, just kidding, but like actually, it do we have any other I mean like fun that's pretty god.
SPEAKER_00I just think like don't buy that's pretty much all I got. Don't buy cryptocurrency. I don't know. I just I'm like, could we just do back to bartering? I'm I don't like the environmental toll on cryptocurrency. I know our current president has his own current cryptocurrency, and I don't know how that's not a problem. Do you think he'll pardon this guy? I doubt it. I bet he doesn't even know this man exists. This happened two years ago. I don't know. Anything is possible. That's true. I I like to, you know, it'd be kind of nice if he was focusing on lower level crimes because I'd rather have him thinking about this guy than continuing to funnel money to Iran. So yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um yeah, I would agree. Don't invest in cryptocurrency. Yeah. If it's not insured, it's not worth it. Yeah. Buy pull tabs because then you can get cash in hand.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And with that, stay off of polymarket and calci.
SPEAKER_01Uh, we are working to ban it in this state, which I love. Oh, very cool. Not to get all like woo-woo, but there's a CBS Sunday morning interview with the founders of Cal Shi. And if you just watch that and you get the vibes, you're gonna be like, I don't trust. It's just saying it's just gambling.
SPEAKER_00That's all it is.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's just well gambling. It's gross, it's gross. Like, do I want to gamble and like have a little bet on when Mitch McConnell will die? Kinda, but I'm not doing that through an app.
SPEAKER_00Do that with your friends. The death pool you have with your friends. Yes, that's private. Some things can be private, everyone.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we all we know too much about everyone.
SPEAKER_00Yes, I agree. I say that all the time.
SPEAKER_01Well, do you have any other fun, dumb facts you'd like to share?
SPEAKER_00Not about this guy, but I do have my like what I've been doing to like keep keep the vibes up.
SPEAKER_01Okay, I do have one more dumb fact. Um, by watching all of the videos on his church's Facebook page, I was like, this guy looks like he's either in a trailer or an RV for half of these videos. And ding ding ding, he was. He was in an RV, he would preach from, and they called it the Grace Bus. So I actually am kind of curious like how that would work out legally. Like if he's running a crypto scam and he's crossing state lines.
SPEAKER_00Ooh.
SPEAKER_01You know what?
SPEAKER_00Did they get him on another account? I don't know. I don't know. Just an idea, Commissioner Jan.
SPEAKER_01If you're looking to listening. So that's that's all I got for you. That's beautiful. Thank you. Okay, what what are you doing to what kind of media are you consuming that you want to share?
SPEAKER_00Okay, well, media consumption-wise, Ryan and I have just started watching Lost. I saw it back when it was on Twitter. Did you watch all of it? Not all of it. But we're in it. I know how it ends. We all know how it ends, so I'm already set up, but I'm excited to watch the first couple seasons. Ryan's ever seen.
SPEAKER_01And then you end it before you get to the weird parts. Yeah. Well, I mean, the whole thing is weird. Right. But it's they never talk I mean, spoiler alert, they never really talk about the polar bears.
SPEAKER_00I know. I did say that to Ryan, that they don't really come back up.
SPEAKER_01So is this Ryan's first time watching the show? Yes. This was a deal that Dan and I made when we got married. He said, I think it's important that you watch all of Lost, and I'll do anything for you know, learning about keeping up with the culture. Right. I actually took a class in college about the TV show Lost. Um had never watched it. Didn't it wasn't really a requirement. Um but that's beside the point. I watched every episode, every season of Lost, and it is time I will never get back. And he is still needing to hold up his end of the bargain, which is watching all of West Wing, which we started and then needed to take a little break because it was making us too sad because we just love the characters so much. And right, you know, things are different. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, okay.
SPEAKER_01So Lost.
SPEAKER_00Anything Lost. Well, and then I'm also I've also gotten into using soft and oil pastels. Um, it's like very low-stakes coloring, andor like if you like watercolors, it's kind of like that, but you don't have to like wash brushes, you just have to wash your hands. It's a little messy because you're blending stuff, but um, I've been trying to like pick it up after work some nights, so I'm not just watching TV, and it's nice little break for my brain. I love that. Yeah. That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01What do you got? Um, well, we've been really social this summer. Love it. So I've been friend maxing if we're gonna use Gen Z terminology, which is great to fill my cup, but I'm also a social introvert, so then I get like really tired. Um, but in terms of media I'm consuming, I'm reading the book Cherry Baby by I think Rainbow Rowell. Rowell. Oh, okay. That's been um a fun like beach read. And then Phoebe Bridgers just released her new album, so I haven't consumed the whole thing yet. I'm kind of like trying to savor it, but I know I need to spend some time this week while Dan's in the boundary waters listening to it from start to finish because we're gonna go to her concert in September. Ooh, very fun. Yeah. So yeah, that's that's it. That's all I got. Love it.
SPEAKER_00Great, a nice, easy light one for us today.
SPEAKER_01Probably under 40 minutes. All right, let's go. Well, with that, Maddie, peace be with you, and also with you.